Thursday, November 20, 2008

Ministry Attempts to Interfere with Solicitor Client Privilege

Letter to Mario Marchese MPP regarding today's Legislative Assembly debate on Bill 103

For Mario Marchese,
My name is John Dunn and I am the Executive Director of the Foster Care Council of Canada, an organization made up primarily of people who have lived in foster care which advocates for improved quality of service and accountability in child-welfare services across the country.

I am deeply concerned about the proposed sub-section 8 (4)(c) of Bill 103 which if left as-is would be the first step in eroding Canada's well-established Solicitor-Client Privilege which exists in the legal community across the country by allowing communications between Solicitors and their youth clients to be opened at the whim of a service provider or a member of the service provider's staff in the young person's presence and may be inspected for articles prohibited by the service provider.

As this is worded it is extremely dangerous in that first it allows for the violation of Solicitor-Client Privilege and secondly it allows the persons authorized to determine by their own policy what is to be deemed "prohibited" including, quite possibly, legal advice.

If a youth in custody were to be reporting abuse, this communication could be intercepted including any response from the youth's solicitors.

I hope that Ontario does not become the first province to allow such a violation which would begin to erode any democratic society's cornerstone of freedom.

(END OF LETTER)





Deb Matthews, in her position as Minister of Children and Youth Services has introduced a Bill (Bill 103) which proposes to allow child-welfare and youth justice staff and officials to intercept, open and withhold mail between a youth's lawyer and the youth.

The Bill also proposes to allow these people to read and withhold mail sent by children and youth in care and in custody from being mailed out.

Here is a quote from Hansard (discussions at the Legislature) by MPP Andrea Horwath with respect to this issue:

We have found out that not only was he not consulted-this is Mr. Elman, our new child advocate-but in fact the staff of the advocacy office have no recollection of having been contacted or approached at all in regard to putting this bill together

and

But one of the things that the bill allows authorities to do which is new is to open up e-mail and mail from children. Children are sending an e-mail or writing a letter, and this act now allows authorities to open that mail or read that e-mail before it gets sent.

and

There's no mechanism at all to ensure that the child is aware that mail is being held. Not only is this broadening the opportunity to intercept mail and keep it, but also there's no obligation or no recognition or acknowledgment that needs to be provided to the young person that says that their mail has been intercepted and kept from them. So the child's right to send and receive mail is being replaced by the facility's right to intercept their mail. Previously, the law said mail "shall not be examined or read by the service provider or a member of the service provider's staff if it is to or from the child's solicitor." But the proposed law states that mail "shall not be examined or read under clause (b) if it is to or from the young person's solicitor, unless there are reasonable and probable grounds to believe that it contains material that is not privileged as a solicitor-client communication."

You can't tell by the outside of a letter whether what's inside it is going to be covered by solicitor-client privilege. I mean, how do you tell by the outside of a letter what's on the inside; right? So who determines whether or not correspondence or communication is privileged? What rationale exists to interfere with mail between a young person and their legal counsel? I don't know. I don't know what that rationale is, and that's another reason why we need to get to committee, to try to explore where the government's mind was-collective mind, I guess-when they came up with this, because I really don't understand it at all.



Please call her office and express your opinion on this matter contained within Bill 103.

I have contacted Clayton Ruby as well to inform him of this matter and he called me back to let me know he is aware of it and will be watching it.

Constituency Office
242 Piccadilly St.
London ON N6A 1S4
Tel 519-432-7339
Fax 519-432-0613
dmatthews.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org


Ministry Office
Ministry of Children and Youth Services
14th Flr, 56 Wellesley St W
Toronto ON M5S 2S3
Tel 416-212-2278
Fax 416-212-7431
dmatthews.mpp@liberal.ola.org

FIPPA Requests

If you want to know how to obtain information from a Government body / agency / etc. (exept CAS who are exempt from FIPPA) you should read this.

A FIPPA request is nothing more than a letter seeking information from the government agency/ministry/body.

You also have to include a five dollar fee (Money Order / Cheque) made payable to THE ONTARIO MINISTER OF FINANCE in each request.

For example, a sample FIPPA Reqeust Letter would be as follows:


Ministry of ____________
Freedom of Information Officer
Address
Phone:


Date: _________

RE: _________

FIPPA Officer Name Here,

Example 1 - Communications between Ministry and a CAS regarding a matter
I would like to obtain any and all communications between the Eastern Regional Office of the Ministry of Children and Youth Services and the Children's Aid Society of Ottawa which pertain in any way to the Ministry's latest Accountability Framework

Example 2 - Directives from Ministry to CAS's
I would like to obtain a copy of any and all Directives which have been issued to the Children's Aid Society of Ottawa by the Ministry of Children and Youth Services over the past two years.

Example 3 - Serious Occurance Reports
I would like to obtain a copy of all Serious Occurance Reports which have been filed with the Ministry of Children and Youth Services by the Children's Aid Society of Ottawa in the past twelve months. I understand that any information which could lead to identifying a child or youth in care shall be removed and do not have issue with this type of information being removed, however the names of any staff or Ministry staff are required to be left in as this does not in any way identify a child or youth in care.

Example 4 - Society By-Laws
I would like to obtain a copy of all of the By-Laws and any amendments thereto of the Children's Aid Society of (_________) which have been filed with the Ministry of Children and Youth Services in accordance with section 13 of the Child and Family Services Act which states the following:

Approved agency

13.(1)An approved agency shall file a certified copy of its by-laws and of any amendment to them with the Minister forthwith after they are made.

Idem

(2)The by-laws of an approved agency shall contain the prescribed provisions.



Sincerely,
Your Signature
Your name here

When there is a lot of information which results from a FIPPA request you can be informed that charges will apply for copying etc. It is at this point that you can contact the FIPPA Co-Ordinator you are dealing with and seek to "Narrow Down" your request to the most important parts of it in order to reduce or eliminate the fees.

Monday, November 10, 2008

OACAS threatens legal action against John Dunn

INTRODUCTION
On Monday November 10, 2008, Ontario citizen, John Dunn received a letter in the mail from the Ontario Association of Children's Aid Societies (OACAS) who retained the services of Swadron Associates Barristers & Solicitors of Toronto, Ontario ( http://www.swadron.com ) for the purpose of requesting that Dunn "cease and desist from using the name Ontario Association of Children's Aid Society Members" for his online support and discussion group which he created to unite all citizens of Ontario who are, or who wish to become, or who would like to learn more about becoming a member of a Children's Aid Society in Ontario.

The reason given within the November 06th, 2008 cease and desist letter (Swadron Associates File Number: 89-1161) was that the Ontario Association of Children's Aid Societies (OACAS), an Association which represents, and advocates on behalf of Ontario's Children's Aid Societies advised their solicitors that the name of the support and discussion group is "deceiving" in relation to the OACAS, and is "likely to cause confusion in the minds of members of the public". The letter was signed by Swadron Associates' Solicitor Barry B. Swadron, Q.C.

Late that same evening, in response to the Swadron's cease and desist letter, Dunn wrote the following letter, and has since reported that he is looking forward to resolving this matter as soon as possible.

--RESPONSE LETTER TO OACAS COUNSEL--

November 11, 2008

Jeanette Lewis, Executive Director
Ontario Association of Children's Aid Societies

care of;

Swadron Associates Barristers & Solicitors
115 Berkeley Street
Toronto, Ontario
M5A 2W8

Barry B. Swadron, Q.C.,

NOTE: Let it be known that all communication between myself and any person in relation to this matter will be made public and distributed to various individuals at the Legislative Assembly of Ontario and several committees thereof, the Office of the Ontario Ombudsman, the Auditor General's Office, the Provincial Child and Youth Advocates Office, the Ministry of Children and Youth Services, the Cabinet of the Ontario Government, select members of the media and via various internet based news wires and resources. This is done strictly as a measure of accountability in relation to the expenditure of public funds.

Cease and Desist Letter:
As of the evening of Monday, November 10, 2008, I am in receipt of your cease and desist letter dated November 06, 2008 (Swadron Associates Barristers & Solicitors File Number 89-1161) requesting that I cease and desist from using the name "Ontario Association of Children's Aid Society Members" as the name of the support and discussion group which was created for people who have, or who wish to become members of a Children's Aid Society in Ontario.

Purpose of Group:

The purpose of the support and discussion group is to enable those who join it to communicate with other like-minded individuals regarding matters related to Children's Aid Society memberships, including, but not limited to, what they can do with a Children's Aid Society membership, and what to do should their application for a membership to a Children's Aid Society in Ontario be denied for any reason.

OACAS Sources of Funding:

It is my understanding from reading the "About OACAS" ( http://www.oacas.org/about/index.htm ) page of the OACAS's website, and from reading the Income Statement dated March 31, 2007 located within the OACAS's 2007-08 Annual Report ( http://www.oacas.org/pubs/oacas/annual/08annual_web.pdf ) that Children's Aid Societies in Ontario and/or their representatives paid over 2.4 million dollars in annual membership fees to the OACAS in 2008, and that the Government of Ontario transfered over 6.4 million dollars to the OACAS in 2008.

Therefore, my calculations lead me to understand that in 2008 alone the Ontario Government has paid a total of at least 6.6 million dollars of Ontario tax-payer's hard-earned dollars to the OACAS directly through Ministry allocated transfer-payments, and indirectly through the membership fees which have been paid to the OACAS by Ministry funded OACAS member Children's Aid Societies.

OACAS use of Charitable Donations and Government Funds:

The OACAS, with what I assume to be approval from members of their Board of Directors, has apparently chosen to divert important charitable funds which have been entrusted to the OACAS for the delivery of charitable purposes on expensive, unnecessary, legal services which have resulted in legal action being threatened against me, without the OACAS even attempting to first contact me in any attempt to discuss the matter decently and to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution.

OACAS's Abuse of Power
Unfortunately, now that the OACAS has made the choice to lead this matter in a legally threatening manner, a manner in which I believe would be seen by any other reasonable person as being an unnecessary, and aggressive abuse of power and resources over a person who is greatly disadvantaged, I therefore feel compelled to respond in a way which I believe will afford me some legal protection while simultaneously working co-operatively with the OACAS, through their legal counsel, to reach a mutually satisfactory resolution to this matter.

Mutually Satisfactory Resolution
I am now undertaking to attempt in good faith to resolve this matter to our mutual satisfaction by first asking you to provide me with the relevant Statutes, Regulations and provisions thereof that you are relying on in your threat of legal action against me so that we can discuss them and my obligations under them so that I may base my decision on how to proceed in this matter on our discussions and on the law.

I am looking forward to your immediate response so that we can hopefully resolve this matter to our mutual satisfaction.

Sincerely,

John Dunn

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November 13, 2009

1st Response to OACAS legal threat letter‏

From: John Dunn (afterfostercare@hotmail.com)
Sent: November 13, 2008 8:01:12 PM
To:
info@oacas.org; jlewis@oacas.org

Jeanette Lewis,It appears that you have authorized a law firm to make a legal threat against me regarding the name of a support group I created on the internet and I just wanted to keep you informed of the response I gave to your Counsell, Barry B. Swadron by forwarding a copy of my response to you.If you do not wish to be kept informed of our communications please just let me know


Sincerely

John Dunn

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Monday December 08, 2008

RE: Swadron File Number: 89-1161

I am awaiting a response from Barry Swadron in connection with my November 13th letter which was emailed to email@swadron.com

If I do not hear from Barry, or anyone else in connection with his client the OACAS, by the end of today, I will understand from the lack of response that the issue is moot and that I have permission to carry on using the name "Ontario Association of Children's Aid Society Members" for our non-profit support / advocacy group.

Sincerely,

John Dunn

===========

From: Barry Swadron (bbs@swadron.com)
Sent: December 8, 2008 2:21:04 PM
To:
afterfostercare@hotmail.com

John Dunn,

Your e-mail dated December 8, 2008, although incorrectly addressed, has been brought to my attention. In the future, kindly note that my e-mail address is bbs@swadron.com.

Not only do your not have permission to use the name “Ontario Association of Children’s Aid Society Members”, you are prohibited from using that name.

Govern yourself accordingly.


Barry B. Swadron, Q.C.

Swadron Associates
Barristers & Solicitors
115 Berkeley Street
Toronto, Ontario
M5A 2W8
Tel: (416) 362-1234
Fax: (416) 362-1232
Email: bbs@swadron.com
Website: www.swadron.com

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RE: OACAS‏
From: John Dunn (afterfostercare@hotmail.com)
Sent: December 8, 2008 5:42:34 PM
To:
bbs@swadron.com

Can you let me know when you first became aware of my correspondence and when you think you will be formulating a written response to it so we can proceed to discuss the matter and come to a resolution.


Sincerely
John Dunn
Executive Director
The Foster Care Council of Canada
http://www.afterfostercare.ca


--OACAS STEALTH VISIT--

After receiving this email, on the 14th of November someone from the OACAS attempted to visit our site while using a "Proxy Server" which is used to attempt to hide who you are when you visit a website so that the person you visit can not track you.

Our logs showed the "Proxy Server" used was called "hidemyass.com". (Click on the image below to get a larger version" for closer examination.





In order to check that source of the visit was actually from the OACAS, an IP Resolution service located at Arin.net confirmed that the IP number of the computer operator who visited us using the "Proxy Server" was definitely from the OACAS as shown below.

Cogeco Data Services Inc. CDSI (NET-66-241-128-0-1)
66.241.128.0 - 66.241.143.255

Ontario Association of Children's Aid Societies THTI-OACAS (NET-66-241-132-224-1)
66.241.132.224 - 66.241.132.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-11-13 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

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From: John Dunn [mailto:afterfostercare@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:46 PM
To: Barry Swadron; info@oacas.org; Jeanette Lewisoacas
Subject: RE: Website Names

Barry Swadron, Jeanette Lewis, et al,

I have informed the Foster Care Council of Canada to change the link on their web site so that it now clarifies that the Support Group (OACASM) is not the OACAS and instead gives a link to the OACAS website in addition to the support group site to avoid any confusion. You can see the links at http://www.afterfostercare.ca

I have taken this action voluntarily to attempt to resolve this issue since it appears you are not willing to discuss it any further from the latest correspondence I have received from you (enclosed)

It is my sincere hope that this resolves the issue with the OACAS, the client you represent. If I do not hear from anyone regarding this, and if I do not hear any attempt to discuss it with me I will understand that we have resolved this issue with my latest effort to alleviate any confusion in the names.


Sincerely

John Dunn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Subject: RE: Website Names
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:40:50 -0500
From: bbs@swadron.comTo: afterfostercare@hotmail.com

Dear Mr. Dunn,

Your e-mail of December 29, 2008 has been received.

I will obtain instructions from my client and will, after I have them, write to you again.

Barry B. Swadron, Q.C.
Swadron Associates
Barristers & Solicitors
115 Berkeley Street
Toronto, Ontario
M5A 2W8
Tel: (416) 362-1234
Fax: (416) 362-1232
Email: bbs@swadron.com
Website: www.swadron.com

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From: afterfostercare@hotmail.com
To: bbs@swadron.com
Subject: RE: Website Names
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:32:25 -0500

Thank-you I look forward to your response.

Sincerely
John Dunn
Executive Director
The Foster Care Council of Canada
http://www.afterfostercare.ca

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From: John Dunn [mailto:afterfostercare@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:01 AM
To: Barry Swadron
Cc: Jeanette Lewisoacas

Subject: RE: Website Names

Barry,

I wanted to know if you have obtained instructions from your client (OACAS) in relation to the updated disclaimer on the http://www.afterfostercare.ca web site which clarifies the alleged possible confusion between the name of the on-line support group for people who wish to learn more about Children's Aid Society memberships and that of the multi-million dollar funded Ontario Association of Children's Aid Societies.

Sincerely

John Dunn
Executive Director
The Foster Care Council of Canada
http://www.afterfostercare.ca

===

Subject: Website Names

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:01:55 -0500
From: bbs@swadron.com
To: afterfostercare@hotmail.com
CC: jlewis@oacas.org

Dear Mr. Dunn,

Unfortunately, I have been extremely busy and unable to obtain instructions. Hopefully I will get them soon. I should tell you I will be out of the country and not be available until late this month.

Barry B. Swadron, Q.C.
Swadron Associates
Barristers & Solicitors
115 Berkeley Street
Toronto, Ontario
M5A 2W8

Tel: (416) 362-1234
Fax: (416) 362-1232
Website: www.swadron.com

===
RE: Website Names
‏From: John Dunn (afterfostercare@hotmail.com)
Sent: January 16, 2009 10:41:28 AM
To: Barry Swadron (bbs@swadron.com)
Cc: Jeanette Lewisoacas (jlewis@oacas.org)

Barry et al,

Thank-you for this update, until you return I will continue to leave the information as posted.
Have a safe journey and hopefully it is somewhere warm! SincerelyJohn Dunn Executive DirectorThe Foster Care Council of Canada http://www.afterfostercare.ca

===
Website names
‏From: Barry Swadron (bbs@swadron.com)
Sent: January 16, 2009 4:39:29 PM
To: 'John Dunn' (afterfostercare@hotmail.com)

Dear Mr. Dunn,

I now have instructions from my client.

While it is recognized that you have taken a step in an attempt to clarify the situation, unfortunately the concern and confusion remain.

The Ontario Association of Children’s Aid Societies is an organization that has existed for many years. It is composed of “member” agencies. The use of the term Ontario Association of Children’s Aid Society Members will, in the eyes of the public, be equated or at least confused with my client, the Ontario Association of Children’s Aid Societies.

It seems to me that you could easily rename the organization that you represent to avoid any mixup. While it would be presumptuous of me to suggest a substitute name, now that you are aware of my client’s concern, I urge you to take the appropriate action.

Barry B. Swadron, Q.C.
Swadron Associates
Barristers & Solicitors
115 Berkeley Street
Toronto, OntarioM5A 2W8
Tel: (416) 362-1234
Fax: (416) 362-1232
Website: www.swadron.com

Friday, November 07, 2008

Delegates from Beijing meet Council

A group of Delegates from Beijing is meeting with the Council's John Dunn and Gary Curtis in Ottawa on Monday November, 10, 2008 to discuss our work as a means of informing them of the ways we work at the grassroots level to bring positive changes to child-welfare services.

The Letter to Council is posted below accompanied by a list of the Delegates from Beijing.


Hello John:

It was very nice talking to you on the phone just now. I am very glad that I am able to get in touch with you and learn about your work for child-welfare service in Canada. It's even more encouraging that you are also concerned about international adoption and particularly these
children (to be) adopted from China. I wish I personally am able to be of help in the future.

As far as the Beijing guests are concerned, here I'd like to give you their names and some relevant information about the group.

The group consists of 20 members from Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government (OLCB). The OLCB is a special office that was established to take complaints from the grassroots people and organizations in Beijing City and help to resolve the issues and disputes.

It'll be really wonderful if you can give them an overview of your work at FCCC, the efforts that the grassroots people/organization have made, the challenges that they have faced and the hope and expectation that they are in pursuing from the government.

As far as the new issues about the adoption in China go, I would suggest that you also bring up the issues at the meeting for discussion. It's an interesting topic that the group would love to exchange the views with you.

Since there are 20 people, I am thinking to invite you to meet with them at a hotel conference room if your office can hardly hold all of them.

We are trying to acquire a conference room now and will let you know the updates later today. I wish that we can make the meeting happen on Nov.10 at 9:00AM either at your place or in a hotel. Please do not hesitate to contact me either via this email or at ###-###-#### or my mobile ###-###-#### if you have any concerns. I deeply appreciate your time and really enjoy our conversation just now.

With all my best regards,


The list of Delegates is as follows:


Liu,Zhihong Mr. Deputy Director Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government

Sun,Shaowu Mr. Division Director Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government

Guan,Liben Mr. Division Director Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government

Lv,Ruili Ms. Director Office of Letters and Calls of Dongcheng District, Beijing Municipal People's Government

Zhao,Hongwei Mr. Director Office of Letters and Calls of Chaoyang District,Beijing Municipal People's Government

Di,Dongxu Mr. Deputy Division Director Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government

Shang,Shuhuai Mr. Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government

Sun,Tong Ms. Deputy Director Office of Letters and Calls of Chongwen District,Beijing Municipal People's Government

Chen,Hongyu Ms. Deputy Director Office of Letters and Calls of Shunyi District, Beijing Municipal People's Government

Sun,Zhongguo Mr. Deputy Director Office of Letters and Calls of Changping District, Beijing Municipal People's Government

Mao,Yanlin Mr. Deputy Director Office of Letters and Calls of Fangshan District, Beijing Municipal People's Government

Wang,Chunye Ms. Deputy Director Office of Letters and Calls of Huairou District, Beijing Municipal People's Government

Mao,Lifu Mr. Deputy Director of General Office Beijing Municipal Commission of Urban Planning

Zhou,Jie Ms. Deputy Division Director Beijing Municipal Bureau of Personnel

Wang,Haitao Mr. Deputy Director of General Office Beijing Municipal Administration of Re-Education Through Labor

Zong,Wenli Mr. Deputy Director Tanzhesi People's Government of Mentougou District of Beijing Municipality

Pan,Jianhui Mr. Principal Staff Member Office of Letters and Calls of Xuanwu District, Beijing Municipal People's Government

Liu,Weifang Ms. Principal Staff Member Beijing Municipal Commission of Construction

Jiang,Xi Ms. Director Fangshan District Industry Corporation of Beijing

Guo,Li Ms. Staff Member Office of Letters and Calls of Beijing Municipal People's Government

Wednesday, November 05, 2008

Toronto CAS Website - Comments

The Toronto CAS website has sections which accept comments at this time. I have posted a couple of comments on their website in response to a couple of their postings.

Hopefully these comments will not be removed. If they are, the media will definitely be contacted in response to such removals.

Below are some screen shots of the posts which I made on the CAS Toronto's website.

Whole Page (Part I)


My Comment (Part II)




My Comment to Dr. Wilkes Award


Test link here

Ottawa CAS - Transparency in Governance Position Paper

Today, Tuesday, October 15, 2008, The Foster Care Council of Canada's John Dunn attended the Ottawa CAS monthly Board meeting and learned from their agenda and subsequent discussion that they are now drafting a Position Paper on Transparency in CAS Governance.

Although the Board did not mention why they drafted the Position Paper it appears to have been done as a result of the Foster Care Council of Canada's advocacy efforts and the Private Member's Motion #41 which the Council advocated for through Andrea Horwath's (MPP) office at the Ontario Legislature to open and advertise CAS meetings/minutes and By-Laws had something if not everything to do with this sudden change in the Society.

The Ottawa CAS Board did not distribute publicly the draft position statement mentioned above, however they talked about it briefly and it appears that information about the Society's By-Laws, Meetings, Meeting Minutes and such are going to be more open to the public in some way and a publicly available leaflet will be made available regarding such matters. The Executive Director mentioned the need to "sanitize" the information before public consumption.

This is just the first step in the right direction toward improved quality of service and accountability in child-welfare which demonstrates that persistence, and patience alway pay off.


UPDATE:

On November 05, 2008, John Dunn sent the following letter to the Executive Director of the Ottawa CAS in relation to this matter.

Correspondence below:

Barbara MacKinnon
Executive Director
The Children's Aid Society of Ottawa
1602 Telesat Court
Ottawa, Ontario
K2E 6J2

Date: Nov 05, 2008
RE: Position Paper on Transparency in CAS Governance

Barbara MacKinnon,

During the October 2008 meeting of the Society's Board of Directors discussion was held regarding a Draft being made of a Position Paper on Transparency in CAS Governance which from what I was able to understand pertains to the public having access to Society Board and or Committee minutes, Agenda's, By-Laws and other items of importance to the Society's local constituents.

I would like to ask if you could please answer the following questions for me.

1. What can you say generally about the status of the Draft Position Paper on CAS Governance and what is it's official title?

2. When do you expect the Draft to be complete and reviewed by the Board for approval?

3. If it is approved by the Board will it be available for review by the public and if not, why not?



Sincerely
John Dunn
Executive Director
The Foster Care Council of Canada
http://www.afterfostercare.ca


Barbara MacKinnon's response:

Re: [QUARANTINE] Position Paper on Transparency in CAS Governance‏
From: barbara.mackinnon@casott.on.ca
Sent: November 10, 2008 4:51:08 PM
To: John Dunn (afterfostercare@hotmail.com)
Cc: mparisien@casott.on.ca

Hello John,

Thank you for your interest in our work. We are in the process of developing a communication leaflet that reflects the intent of the paper.

It should be ready in the near future and I would be happy to provide the leaflet to you.

Rick is happy to have you present in December to the Board but was not sure we will have quorum as December is generally a very busy month for members.

You may be more interested in the New Year--January or February.

Let me know.

Barbara MacKinnon
Executive Director
Children's Aid Society of Ottawa
1602 Telesat Court,
Ottawa K1B 1B1
747-7800 ext 2600